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Listen Deeply

Posted on Apr 16th, 2006 by Cynthia : realityshifter Cynthia

Cynthia Sue LarsonCynthia Sue Larson on the Patricia Fuqua television show

"You need to "listen deeply" - listen past what people say they want to hear what they need." -- Jon Meads When I read the most recent intercessory prayer study results indicating that Prayer Doesn't Affect Heart Patients, I sensed there was much more to this story than first meets the eye. Results from this study, appearing this month in the American Heart Journal, describe how heart bypass surgery patients who were prayed for encountered just as many complications as those patients who received no such prayers, and patients who were told they were being prayed for suffered more complications than any other study group. More than 1,800 coronary artery bypass graft surgery patients were divided into three groups: (1) Patients who were told that someone was praying for them; (2) Patients who were told only that someone might pray for them and got prayers; (3) Patients who were told someone might pray for them but received no prayers. About 65% of the patients said they strongly believed in the power of prayer. Prayer services were provided by two Catholic monasteries and one Protestant group who were given patients' first names and the first initial of their last names, and who began praying the night before each patient's surgery and continued for two weeks after surgery. All people doing the praying were instructed to recite the same prayer for the patients being prayed for, requesting: "a successful surgery and a quick, healthy recovery and no complications." Patients across the three groups had similar religious profiles. Most believed in spiritual healing and almost all believed friends or relatives would be praying for them. Researchers did not ask patients to have their friends and families withhold prayers, and assumed many patients prayed for themselves during the study. Study co-author Manoj Jain commented, "With so many individuals receiving prayer from friends and family, as well as personal prayer, it may be impossible to disentangle the effects of study prayer from background prayer." One of the biggest questions from this study is, "Why would some patients get worse when they know they will be prayed for?" This question goes beyond the problem of background prayer to the matter of formal methodologies used in this prayer study. When people feel pressured to give or receive healing energies differently than they would most prefer at a time when lives are at risk, it's no wonder they feel emotionally stressed. Scientific methods require that stringent methodologies are followed to ensure all study participants are following instructions, yet this rather rigid approach to healing can create resistance in both those doing the praying and those receiving the prayers. Prayer researchers are therefore well advised to listen closely to all participants of distant healing studies, since it seems clear there is a lot more going on than just a simple matter of designated prayers sending healing energy to fully receptive receivers. For example, if a prayer study does not factor in consideration for the beliefs (including religious beliefs) of those being prayed for and those doing the praying, interference can exist that can block healing even when recipients have verbally agreed to give and receive healing. A mechanical approach to constructing a prayer study may be considered ideal for scientific analysis, but it can leave much to be desired in terms of optimally addressing peoples' real needs. Future studies can pre-screen participants to be just those who feel good about the intercessory methods being used, listening deeply to the needs of everyone involved. When we listen deeply, we can discover peoples' true needs as well as areas of possible hidden resistance. We can go beyond what people might nod their heads and agree to, and get to their underlying thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and preferences. Such listening is essential for ensuring full participation, as it treats people as valued individuals whose individual needs truly matter.
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Shelly  : Petrepreneur- Pay It Forward Pets
about 22 hours later
Shelly said

Very, very interesting. Makes so much sense too. Thanks for sharing.

Zennie : Earl of Essence
about 24 hours later
Zennie said

Thank you Cynthia! One thing from my experience is that if I pray with clenched teeth that I have to have the answer to the prayer in the way I want the answer to the prayer, then that is really saying that I don't believe I will get the answer as I have to be forceful and willful which is not relying or opening to receive the answer in the most perfect unlimited way.

It is also true that I have received wonderful answers to prayers that were positive and life affirming despite some pretty skeptical attitudes on my behalf. So I ask, and God answers beyond what I take for “me.” I am not a factor as much as I believe I am. And somtimes it takes way longer to get the answer. And sometimes, what I think I want, I don't really want, but don't know until later, but the universe in its wisdom does know. Soooo many factors.

As you say, there is so much going on in terms of people's beliefs and the inner aspects of each person participating that I don't know how measuring this is even possible.

Along with this, we are learning from quatum physics that the expectations of the observer no matter how hidden or supposedly neutral may influence the outcome. The hypothesis itself could influence the outcome it seems.

I wonder what would happen if children were asked to do the praying for another child (purity of intent and a child's trust), and the observers were seperate from the initiators of the experiment who did not even know what they were measuring completely until it was over? For example, each day they recorded the patient's health condition, but did not know why or for what reason? The initiator's are totally disengaged with no hope of ever knowing the results until published.

To me, it is the mind that analyzes and measures trying to quantifying the unquantifiable. It cannot be entered into from this part of the mind is my sense.

I am willing to be wrong about this though.

Great Subject!

Thank you!
zennie

1 day later
lisa said

Dear Cynthia,
A fairly simple point which doesn’t seem to have been mentioned - those prayers were answered - but consciousness (aka the universe) doesn’t compute ‘no’ very readily.To pray for ‘no complications’ was more likely to usher the concept of ‘complications’ into those heart patients’ realities than to bring them speedily to full recovery.
This is a well known feature of consciousness which hypnotherapists (I’m one) have to work around all the time. Our subconscious finds it difficult to handle negatives. Nouns are much more powerful. For example tell a child ‘don’t stick your fingers in that flame’ - and watch what happens. They will often ‘stick fingers in flame’. Much more effective to say to a child ‘the flame will burn your fingers’. The consciousness of the Universe appears to work much the same way.
Consider the struggle people have to ‘give up’ smoking or ‘lose’ weight. Or how ineffective prayers to ‘stop the war in Iraq’ appear to have been. Once we recognise this feature of consciousness, we are able to see why the best laid plans often fall apart and also how to create prayers/meditations that are effective.
Thanks for your inspiring and always thought-provoking newsletter.
With best wishes,
Lisa

Cynthia : realityshifter
1 day later
Cynthia said

Thanks for all the brilliant comments! I agree that it’s best to avoid mention of what one doesn’t wish to manifest in one’s intentions, affirmations, and prayers. When I first heard what the prayer statement was for this experiment, I wondered, “Why aren’t they using the information gleaned from previous prayer studies about the most effective prayer statements?” The Spindrift Institute has shown rather conclusively that the very most effective prayer statement for helping plants to grow (that works better than any with particular specifics) is non-directed prayer (where instead of a specific outcome, a general sense of what’s best is intended). Spindrift’s prayer experiments showed that it’s usually best for growing organisms to receive the non-directed form of prayer, rather than receive prayers to “grow HUGE”, because non-directed prayers keep organisms in better balance.

Zennie : Earl of Essence
2 days later
Zennie said

Great Comments Cynthia and Jodi. I use nonspecific prayers but I could use some help with this I feel. Do you know where I could find some examples for people?

Deep Bow!
Zennie

Cynthia : realityshifter
6 days later
Cynthia said

Hi, Zennie! The details for the nondirected prayers are given in the link mentioned above for most effective prayer… but even just asking the question How Good Can it Get? can be a wonderful nondirected prayer!

14 days later
Faris said

Dear Cynthia,


I have been on your mailing list for some time now, got one of your books, and for the first time I've decided to write.

It's about the prayer “study”. First of all, thanks for addressing the issue - as soon as I saw the headline that “prayer doesn't affect heart patients”, I suspected something wasn't quite right. 

Just wanted to kick a few ideas around with you, in addition to what you mentioned (and maybe the people who did the study would benefit from receiving the email you sent out too!)

1 - An issue that wasn't mentioned at all - it's amazing how much researchers' own beliefs can affect the results of an experiment. Quantum physicists have already discovered that researchers affect experiments with their beliefs in a BIG way. Do people think that researchers, despite their self-proclaimed objectivity, really have NO opinion as to what will happen? Intellectuals are probably the most biased group of all! Plus experimental conclusions, specifications and objectives can all be set up in such a way that when looked at “mathematically”, the SAME experiment could either fail or pass in flying colours!

2 - Praying in negatives -  they prayed for “no complications”? How many people who pray succesfuly pray for “no poverty, no problems, no illness?” Hasn't experience proven it's much more effective to pray for positive things (health, peace, etc.) than to focus on the negative stuff?

3- Can't help but notice that the study focuses on the wrong thing in its conclusions. They focus on post-operative complications, but among other things, the people ALSO prayed for a successful surgery, and as far as I can tell the surgerie, in and of themselves, were succesful ! (despite later complications in some cases)

4 - Not having the full names of the people prayed for can mean that the connection isn't good enough. How many “Mary A.”'s are there in the US? I'm sure intention does connect people to a certain extent, but the people praying had absolutely NO idea who the prayer was supposed to be going to, not even a photo to my knowledge.

5 - Starting prayer a day before operation sometimes just doesn't cut it (no pun intended). Sometimes the angels, guides, energies, etc. just need more time to prepare things in advance for a good surgery, exam, etc. Not always the case, as I'm sure you know, but more often than not, doing things earlier in advance helps.

6 - I could go on and on but won't out of respect for your time. (And yes, I am writing because I'm pissed off at the researchers! If they really wanted to be objective, which for some apparently politically-organized motive they didn't, they would have at least spent some time studying the mechanics of prayer and healing from people who worked in such fields and got results!)


All the best to you,

Faris

Ian Gardner : Mystic
4 months later
Ian Gardner said

Most studies are self-defeating because they cannot incorporate all variables and because they require “provability”, something impossible with the abstract. I was going to write “abstract things” but that would have been incorrect because “abstract thing” is an oxymoron.

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